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Watching Government: BLM's proposed fracing rules

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The US Bureau of Land Management didn't have to wait long for comments about its proposed hydraulic fracturing regulations. Oil and gas groups and environmental organizations quickly found problems with the May 4 proposal.
Industry groups pointed out that many states already have effective regulations. "Each state has unique geologic and surface conditions that are more effectively regulated and managed at the state level," American Exploration & Production Council Pres. Bruce Thompson said.
"This proposed rule is a solution looking for a problem and is another effort to federalize the regulation of the production of our nation's energy resources," he continued. "The result of the imposition of this proposed rule would be higher energy costs, fewer jobs, lower revenue to the US Treasury,

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Submitted May 15, 2012 By: drpepperTX

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ltbombb Champion Author Ohio Posts:1,779 Points:568,270 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jun 11, 2012 7:30:04 AM Ignore ltbombb Report Abuse Learned some more about fracing from this article, thanks
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,632 Points:1,610,495 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: May 18, 2012 5:01:06 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse if both sides find problems, it can be a sign of a good proposal. Haven't read it, so I can't comment on the quality and sensibility. But BLM is supposed to protect federal lands which belong to every US citizen and anyone living here, not sell out to the highest bidder at the first good opportunity.
rjhenn Champion Author Des Moines Posts:22,451 Points:2,230,900 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: May 17, 2012 4:59:42 PM Ignore rjhenn Report Abuse Truth is based on facts. Opinions that are not based on facts are just opinions.
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,604 Points:1,206,455 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: May 17, 2012 7:03:33 AM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse Who's facts, known by whom? Humble?....PLEEZ! As long as any member unfairly uses 'in your face' rhetoric to another member, I will stand up and say ENOUGH! Let me remind you, "Kindly remember anyone on GB has the right to their own opinion. That opinion does not need a citation to make it so, or to make it their opinion. You need to learn to accept opposing opinions/comments without attacking, with ‘in your face rhetoric’. That type of action tends to limit comments by posters to a thread, and does not enrich the discussion. In fact those remarks can turn a thread into a negative and churlish place to come for many Members." HIS truth will set me free...not yours! WWJD?
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,950 Points:753,185 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 17, 2012 12:02:03 AM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse Bull butter! Tea can stand up for his/her self. Tea posted the "billions of gallons of toxic chemicals" are pumped into the Earth, that opinion is untrue and it is a fear mongering tactic used to prey on ignorance. Of course everybody has a right to their opinion and to a difference of opinion. I merely and humbly post opinion based on the facts as they are known and will question those opinions that appear based on non-fact and or emotion. Again, don't fling arrows with out expecting a response. The truth shall set you free!
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,604 Points:1,206,455 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: May 16, 2012 11:19:44 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse Horse feathers! Looks to me like the Pot calling the Kettle Black! I notice you did not bother to dispute the Big Tobacco claim…..what no citation or is this just ‘fear mongering’? Kindly remember anyone on GB has the right to their own opinion. That opinion does not need a citation to make it so, or to make it their opinion. You need to learn to accept opposing opinions/comments without attacking, with ‘in your face rhetoric’. That type of action tends to limit comments by posters to a thread, and does not enrich the discussion. In fact those remarks can turn a thread into a negative and churlish place to come for many Members. Your Mountain Top removal comments are just that… your opinion even though pictures of the devastation caused by Big Coal are legion on the Web; I am sure you have seen them. Yup, bait and switch on your part. I am not quite certain what you mean by ‘the truth will set you free’. You seem to use the phrase frequently, and it is getting old and worn. What Jesus actually said was, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” MY Jesus would not be too thrilled with many of your comments on this thread. Keep in mind….WWJD? Give Peace a Chance!
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,950 Points:753,185 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 16, 2012 4:37:56 PM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse And thnks to those contributing to the climbing replies to this fascinating article!
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,950 Points:753,185 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 16, 2012 3:03:04 PM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse Tea claims "... why pumping billions of gallons of toxic chemicals into the Earth puts our water supply at risk?" ===================== Obviously without a credible source for this allegation we must chalk that statement up to more fear mongering. I am always interested in listening and can be persuaded by facts but they just don't appear from tea. And mountain top removal? More bait and switch from tea, in my opinion, since this article is about government regulatio. But I suppose it's not ok that nature performs mountain top removal around the clock, everyday and will continue to do so for time to come? The truth shall set you free! [Edited by: drpepperTX at 5/16/2012 4:05:58 PM EST]
teafortwo Champion Author Washington Posts:22,121 Points:1,386,815 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: May 16, 2012 2:30:48 PM Ignore teafortwo Report Abuse Thanks for the clarification rjhenn. But then why would we expect the BIG OIL & GAS industries to understand the "common rules of English pronunciation" when they say they do not understand why pumping billions of gallons of toxic chemicals into the Earth puts our water supply at risk? Besides, BIG GREED industries have demonstrated for years that 'rules' do not apply to them. Reminds me of how Mountain Top Removal Mining used to be called strip mining. That clever bunch over at BIG GREED COAL thought nobody would ever catch on to that one. Much like BIG TOBACCO. Hire experts to tell 'em it's harmless and keep the labs busy working to make the stuff even more addictive (instead of less toxic .... what a concept?) But aren't we all glad that the BIG GREED industries can afford to pay millions for shills and spin doctors to spread fertilizer for US by rewriting the "common rules of English pronunciation" and health & science :0\|
rjhenn Champion Author Des Moines Posts:22,451 Points:2,230,900 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: May 16, 2012 2:20:50 PM Ignore rjhenn Report Abuse drpepperTX - "Thank you rjhenn for showing the point that the bias media has taken the longstanding industry terminology of fracing or fraccing and uses 'fracking' to add a negative connotation." Actually, it appears to be just the opposite. Much like there used to be a constant search for terms to substitute for "Negro" ("African American". "black", whatever), because of the bad connotations that people thought they acquired. Though here it's just trying to find a different spelling. Unless you're thinking of Battlestar Galactica. But I don't think they ever spelled the word on the air. "It's really not any different than their thinly veiled dislike of the Second Amendment. Knowingly using the inaccurate term 'automatic' when they know the correct term is semi-automatic." While I'd agree that the media can be incredibly ignorant (or maybe that should be "willfully" ignorant), as exemplified by the 2nd, I don't see that here. Here's one article on the subject of the spelling. [Edited by: rjhenn at 5/16/2012 3:21:16 PM EST]
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,950 Points:753,185 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 16, 2012 2:11:54 PM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse Thank you rjhenn for showing the point that the bias media has taken the longstanding industry terminology of fracing or fraccing and uses 'fracking' to add a negative connotation. It's really not any different than their thinly veiled dislike of the Second Amendment. Knowingly using the inaccurate term 'automatic' when they know the correct term is semi-automatic.
rjhenn Champion Author Des Moines Posts:22,451 Points:2,230,900 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: May 16, 2012 1:06:01 PM Ignore rjhenn Report Abuse drpepperTX - "It is also very amusing to see the correct term, fracing, used in an article! It shows how the slanted media has created a slang word for fracing and continued the brainwashing of the ignorant. Folks, there is no K in the word fracturing, thus the correct term is fracing." Actually, this use of the term "fracing" shows the desperation of the industry to try and avoid the existing negative connotations of "fracking". Whether or not there is a 'k' in "fracturing", the common rules of English pronunciation dictate that there should be one if the 'c', that is pronounced as a 'k' when followed by a consonant, is followed by a vowel. It's a common transformation. The alternative is to pronounce the word like 'f' 'racing'. Which would mean it's no longer derived from "fracturing". [Edited by: rjhenn at 5/16/2012 2:06:57 PM EST]
rjhenn Champion Author Des Moines Posts:22,451 Points:2,230,900 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: May 16, 2012 1:04:47 PM Ignore rjhenn Report Abuse vollee - Typical RWNJ. No facts, no argument, just personal attacks.
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,950 Points:753,185 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 16, 2012 12:28:03 PM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse Is it not shamefully sad how facts can get some folks so riled up! Goodness gracious! :=)VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
teafortwo Champion Author Washington Posts:22,121 Points:1,386,815 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: May 16, 2012 11:54:38 AM Ignore teafortwo Report Abuse Another classic example of BIG GREED industry smoke and mirrors distraction hoping you will forget the most important issue. Water is essential to life. Registration required to read full article :0\ GB article submission guidelines clearly state: "Do not post articles requiring registration of any sort for access." AND General Forum Guidelines state: "4. Please do not post articles in their entirety on the message forum. Please only post a snippet of the article and then post a link to where others can read the rest." Notice regarding posting copyrighted information
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,950 Points:753,185 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 16, 2012 8:16:57 AM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse It is also very amusing to see the correct term, fracing, used in an article! It shows how the slanted media has created a slang word for fracing and continued the brainwashing of the ignorant. Folks, there is no K in the word fracturing, thus the correct term is fracing.
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,950 Points:753,185 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 16, 2012 8:13:35 AM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse Ebaz, you are correct. About the only thing you can take from the replies is those that are for more Government interference are willing to concede more and more of their freedoms. Sad. It is just hard for them to see an article get so many looks and draw so much interest.
Ebaz Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:3,251 Points:716,285 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: May 16, 2012 7:37:15 AM Ignore Ebaz Report Abuse Finally, a decent article...and the posting trolls attack each other instead of talking about the post (positive or negative). Btw, proposing a universal fracking rule is lake claiming all stars are the same.
dieselfiendSC Champion Author South Carolina Posts:2,191 Points:847,805 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: May 16, 2012 7:36:40 AM Ignore dieselfiendSC Report Abuse OK
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:33,047 Points:2,346,485 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: May 16, 2012 3:27:00 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse fracing? There are unique geologic and and surface conditions present in each state and each state may effectively control those sites. BUT, protect the surface and ground waters, people and animals at all times from fracking! Fracking water and sand contains pollutants released from the underground rock and brought to the surface: Lead, Methane, various gasses and chemicals and whatever else maybe contained in the underground rock or sand deposits. Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. Consider using other forms of less expensive transportation to lower your cost, if possible! The price of fuel at the pump is too high! 12/22/2012!
Gnusman53 Champion Author San Diego Posts:7,014 Points:1,113,395 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: May 16, 2012 12:46:09 AM Ignore Gnusman53 Report Abuse seems volle is displaying his "arse" way too often here. while guzzling all the kool-aid he can grab....
Gnusman53 Champion Author San Diego Posts:7,014 Points:1,113,395 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: May 16, 2012 12:43:25 AM Ignore Gnusman53 Report Abuse in aviation terms... looks like vollee is one of the Inhofe pilot school grads.....landing on closed runways and strafing construction workers.... (grin)... to put it simpler...."crashed and burned"
Gnusman53 Champion Author San Diego Posts:7,014 Points:1,113,395 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: May 16, 2012 12:40:40 AM Ignore Gnusman53 Report Abuse Seems another wacky bizarro source for soda to post...
vollee Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:1,777 Points:760,950 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: May 15, 2012 11:40:50 PM Ignore vollee Report Abuse looks like aviator crashed into a mountain again. Must be the reason for his holier-than-thou pronouncements. But since he is a confirmed obamaite idiot, I'm going to bed. crash & burn avaitor boy. Just hope you're not a commercial pilot - you would be lookin' for a national landmark to take out. Adios.
LostToo Champion Author Illinois Posts:4,392 Points:975,315 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: May 15, 2012 11:18:16 PM Ignore LostToo Report Abuse Remember the good old days when they only had one or 2 guys to pay off? Now it looks like there are 10 different guys with their hands out. Good Luck figuring out who the right guy is to buy off.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,805 Points:414,615 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: May 15, 2012 11:16:48 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse bl626 said, "there is no such thing as clean energy" Interesting statement. Care to elaborate? I'll concede there are no PERFECT energy solutions but no such thing as clean energy??? I'd like to see a list of current energy sources from cleanest to dirtiest, if you have the time.
rahcat Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:2,473 Points:663,925 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: May 15, 2012 11:14:13 PM Ignore rahcat Report Abuse Yesterdays news.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,805 Points:414,615 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: May 15, 2012 11:12:51 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Tell me, vollee. What gives you such faith in your beliefs? It obviously isn't any sense of reason. Really, let's have a discussion here, instead of spewing venom at anyone that has an opinion different than your own.
rickone All-Star Author Detroit Posts:550 Points:394,410 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: May 15, 2012 11:05:36 PM Ignore rickone Report Abuse Interesting - Thanks for posting.
DozenSpeed Champion Author St. Louis Posts:1,293 Points:391,550 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: May 15, 2012 11:01:42 PM Ignore DozenSpeed Report Abuse Franc?
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radiorumor Champion Author Texas Posts:2,817 Points:754,835 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: May 15, 2012 10:57:56 PM Ignore radiorumor Report Abuse What could possibly go wrong. Let them do what they want
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bl626 All-Star Author Toledo Posts:824 Points:242,355 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: May 15, 2012 10:49:59 PM Ignore bl626 Report Abuse there is no such thing as clean energy
vollee Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:1,777 Points:760,950 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: May 15, 2012 10:49:35 PM Ignore vollee Report Abuse Uh- Oh, Looks like aviator boy - the obamite has awoken and is spewing his liberal nonsense. Please go back to drinking your kool-aid. You are another of the clueless idiots that adore the anointed one arse.
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Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,805 Points:414,615 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: May 15, 2012 10:48:26 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse mrbee says, "Cut government. Period." Where would you like to start? I guarantee your list won't match any others.
g747 Champion Author Mobile Posts:4,546 Points:934,645 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: May 15, 2012 10:47:43 PM Ignore g747 Report Abuse We need a standard equitable mandate to ensure all states get adequate money to operate period.
Liberty2000 Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:1,739 Points:280,520 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: May 15, 2012 10:47:22 PM Ignore Liberty2000 Report Abuse BLM -- one of the more corrupt federal agencies.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,805 Points:414,615 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: May 15, 2012 10:46:41 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse If government wants to stop gas drilling, kusanagisama, they're not doing a very good job.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,805 Points:414,615 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: May 15, 2012 10:44:19 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse And what is capitalism, judgemobile? A business plan looking for unlimited profit?
us4usa Champion Author Missouri Posts:5,993 Points:1,113,430 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: May 15, 2012 10:42:43 PM Ignore us4usa Report Abuse "The result of the imposition of this proposed rule would be higher energy costs, fewer jobs, lower revenue to the US Treasury, Sounds like DC, but not sure about the lower revenue???
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,805 Points:414,615 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: May 15, 2012 10:42:33 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse What exctly are you talking about, BooHooMI? Last time I checked, "ecoNazis" aren't poisoning the water supply with fracking fluid. "Would you like some benzene and diesel fuel with your coffee?"
bonzoonfmb Champion Author Florida Posts:1,787 Points:645,560 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: May 15, 2012 10:41:34 PM Ignore bonzoonfmb Report Abuse What is fracing? DON'T LINK TO ARTICLES WHERE YOU HAVE TO REGISTER. REALLY????
judgemobile Champion Author Ohio Posts:7,575 Points:2,446,110 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: May 15, 2012 10:40:18 PM Ignore judgemobile Report Abuse Socialism: A solution looking for a problem.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,805 Points:414,615 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: May 15, 2012 10:39:38 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Of course, the oil and gas industry oppose federal fracking regulations. They like the current, crazy quilt of state regs. The easier to divide and conquer.