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One Proposal For Amtrak Bullet Train Route: Under Long Island Sound

Courant -- As Amtrak studies how to bring bullet trains to its frantically busy Northeast Corridor, one design team is suggesting a radically new route requiring a roughly 18-mile-long tunnel beneath Long Island Sound.

Trains speeding from Washington to Boston would run through the heart of Long Island, cross into Connecticut through a tunnel emerging in Milford, head to Hartford and then race east toward Worcester on new tracks running alongside I-84.

The segment between Manhattan and Hartford would cost about $20 billion, according to the University of Pennsylvania's high-speed rail design studio, which first put forward the idea in 2010. Overall, the full 450-mile route from Washington to Boston would cost about $100 billion, PennDesign said.

Amtrak is focusing on its own "NextGen High-Speed Ra

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Submitted Sep 04, 2012 By: skb69sa

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,818 Points:1,636,245 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Sep 6, 2012 11:07:46 PM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse expensive but definitely faster and pretty safe.
DanMtz Champion Author Oakland Posts:3,491 Points:1,270,050 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Sep 5, 2012 8:00:05 AM Ignore DanMtz Report Abuse Sounds expensive.
jrs4125 Champion Author Indiana Posts:2,893 Points:618,470 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Sep 5, 2012 6:23:35 AM Ignore jrs4125 Report Abuse Alrighty then
rcornero Sophomore Author Toms River Posts:225 Points:367,560 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Sep 5, 2012 5:53:44 AM Ignore rcornero Report Abuse What a bargain! They would only have to sell a million tickets at $100K a piece to break even. There's probably enough central planning fans in the DC to NYC to Boston corridor to make that feasible.
Eugenian Champion Author Oregon Posts:2,001 Points:388,855 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 6:36:06 PM Ignore Eugenian Report Abuse Cool idea. BlueberryFOcus is right; it's time we start catching up to the rest of the developed world on this.
CapriceWagon Champion Author Washington Posts:1,009 Points:502,870 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 2:01:19 PM Ignore CapriceWagon Report Abuse No one wants to travel by rail, why do you think Amtrak is always losing money?
BlueberryFocus All-Star Author Rochester Posts:553 Points:129,510 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 12:24:26 PM Ignore BlueberryFocus Report Abuse This should have happened already, we are far behind the rest of the world when it comes to travel by rail.
wild3bill Champion Author New York Posts:2,551 Points:1,694,815 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 12:11:48 PM Ignore wild3bill Report Abuse As I recall around 30 years ago many millions were spent upgrading the route along I-95.Around 1980 Amtrack moved their maintenance operations from Rhode Island to Albany. Good for trains to Chicago and Canada.Ten Years After, Congress moved the Pork Barrel back to New England!
wild3bill Champion Author New York Posts:2,551 Points:1,694,815 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 12:00:46 PM Ignore wild3bill Report Abuse From Hartford East I-84 is a bunch of short segments that do not connect CT has switched around route numbers between I-84 and I-81,so many ti8mes some are back where the were originally!. CT's old plans directed I-84 cross the RI state line in the middle of the biggest fresh watrer reservoir in RI where Rhode Island did not want either construction or traffic going through their drinking water supply.An undeveloped area goodfor fishing and vacations
mastermariner Champion Author Texas Posts:4,820 Points:520,450 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 10:33:34 AM Ignore mastermariner Report Abuse Fifty years too late
puinsai808 Champion Author Honolulu Posts:3,697 Points:754,030 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 9:58:42 AM Ignore puinsai808 Report Abuse ok
1972Pinto Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:189,098 Points:306,780 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 9:49:00 AM Ignore 1972Pinto Report Abuse anything that costs big $$$ and costs more to operate then what you can make from it, sounds familiar, and the trains are french.
LilRedWagonIN Champion Author Indiana Posts:7,907 Points:1,580,135 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 9:34:03 AM Ignore LilRedWagonIN Report Abuse Anything to run up costs on a boondoggle project when its not your money.
AlienBug All-Star Author Connecticut Posts:732 Points:218,035 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 9:01:25 AM Ignore AlienBug Report Abuse We'll be tunneling under Mars first.
Seamus4513 Champion Author Orange County Posts:2,720 Points:413,305 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 7:57:10 AM Ignore Seamus4513 Report Abuse DNQ
northeast2 Champion Author New York Posts:3,849 Points:1,007,200 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 7:54:40 AM Ignore northeast2 Report Abuse Do it.
qwerty17 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,760 Points:1,143,275 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 7:50:44 AM Ignore qwerty17 Report Abuse won't happen that way. why even consider it?
tatker Champion Author Asheville Posts:2,100 Points:585,355 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 7:40:39 AM Ignore tatker Report Abuse $$$$$$$$$$$$ very $$$$$$$$
JCI46009IN Champion Author Indiana Posts:2,129 Points:439,570 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 7:30:49 AM Ignore JCI46009IN Report Abuse Git er done..................
Buck_on_Bass Champion Author Tennessee Posts:7,704 Points:1,480,985 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 7:21:50 AM Ignore Buck_on_Bass Report Abuse Being technically possible does not mean that it is economically viable. However, when one looks at the costs of major highway or airport construction in the New York City area, this may provide a competitive service.
OldMan322 Champion Author Illinois Posts:5,282 Points:1,621,155 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 6:58:33 AM Ignore OldMan322 Report Abuse Shound have been done 30 years ago
Xavier80 Champion Author Victoria Posts:1,907 Points:401,920 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 6:47:49 AM Ignore Xavier80 Report Abuse We'll see
ClarkSC Champion Author South Carolina Posts:3,214 Points:1,038,130 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 6:45:48 AM Ignore ClarkSC Report Abuse Sure, let's waste more money. Must be an Obama idea.
el_fr Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:3,472 Points:771,425 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 6:09:12 AM Ignore el_fr Report Abuse Good luck with that
335d1 Champion Author Virginia Posts:2,519 Points:785,770 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 5:34:34 AM Ignore 335d1 Report Abuse But we need a radical route for a bullet train to run at speed. The cost will be the deciding factor.
1972Pinto Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:189,098 Points:306,780 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 4:19:05 AM Ignore 1972Pinto Report Abuse Amtrak is government run. like the post office
djgunrunner Champion Author Salt Lake City Posts:10,247 Points:2,375,330 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 3:18:56 AM Ignore djgunrunner Report Abuse Amtrack is so mismanaged that they pay $16.00 for a hamburger and sell it for $9.00. For a company to pay $16.00 for a hamburger means that the leadership should be fired and Macdonalds or Burger King should take over and they could probably run Amtrack better too.
lgwhitlock Champion Author Chico Posts:7,520 Points:1,712,220 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 2:43:53 AM Ignore lgwhitlock Report Abuse I hope they come up with the money before building it rather than hoping it comes when needed. Otherwise it might be one of those wastes of money...
fishgaro Champion Author St. Louis Posts:1,626 Points:371,575 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 2:32:15 AM Ignore fishgaro Report Abuse ok
Rans35PG Champion Author Modesto Posts:2,470 Points:1,000,000 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 2:26:28 AM Ignore Rans35PG Report Abuse better than ethanol
smenzel Champion Author Seattle Posts:2,175 Points:1,130,980 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 2:26:11 AM Ignore smenzel Report Abuse Sounds good
PetroScopper Champion Author Houston Posts:6,755 Points:1,576,660 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 2:24:36 AM Ignore PetroScopper Report Abuse I think it's a great idea- build it!! There is no way this country will ever be able to move forward and progress for the future if we don't start making bold moves now. If our former leaders thought like these idiots of today we would not have paved roads and highways or train tracks to transport people and the goods that we use every day! Wake up people- what are we going to leave for our grandchildren and great grandchildren?!!
yelobus Champion Author Houston Posts:5,738 Points:1,583,565 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 2:22:38 AM Ignore yelobus Report Abuse Like the Chunnel.
runner74 Champion Author Washington Posts:2,841 Points:594,965 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 2:18:34 AM Ignore runner74 Report Abuse ok
divebomber Champion Author Nebraska Posts:6,213 Points:1,839,000 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 2:17:10 AM Ignore divebomber Report Abuse WE'LL SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE....................!
chillyman3 Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,355 Points:444,640 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 2:13:48 AM Ignore chillyman3 Report Abuse Build it nation wide
steve621 Champion Author Wilmington Posts:2,128 Points:2,134,680 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 2:12:39 AM Ignore steve621 Report Abuse okay
HYEgasCA Champion Author Fresno Posts:2,126 Points:933,850 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 2:09:07 AM Ignore HYEgasCA Report Abuse Bullet Trains are not for the United States.
NavyEOD Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:10,141 Points:2,047,875 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 2:05:36 AM Ignore NavyEOD Report Abuse Just talk.
megadiesellv Champion Author Atlanta Posts:1,474 Points:503,585 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 2:04:29 AM Ignore megadiesellv Report Abuse Ok.
hok Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:1,370 Points:1,027,470 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 2:03:09 AM Ignore hok Report Abuse √
jcurley Champion Author California Posts:8,013 Points:1,800,545 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 1:59:19 AM Ignore jcurley Report Abuse We need high speed rail!
speedys Champion Author Utah Posts:7,152 Points:2,585,610 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 1:59:12 AM Ignore speedys Report Abuse I think that is a lot of money for the percentage of the population that would ride it.
jetskijerry Champion Author North Carolina Posts:4,031 Points:798,995 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 1:56:28 AM Ignore jetskijerry Report Abuse It's not worth it to go faster.
jetskijerry Champion Author North Carolina Posts:4,031 Points:798,995 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 1:56:06 AM Ignore jetskijerry Report Abuse 100 billion is ridiculous.
kd5kpd Champion Author Texas Posts:3,872 Points:1,443,450 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 1:55:35 AM Ignore kd5kpd Report Abuse Who is going to foot the bill for this boondoggle? They are guessing 100 billion now but actual cost most likely will be 5-10 times more after all of the kickbacks & overruns.
DrivingFool2 Champion Author Appleton Posts:8,722 Points:1,632,590 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 1:49:47 AM Ignore DrivingFool2 Report Abuse On whose dime
Ron77095 Champion Author Houston Posts:3,195 Points:629,400 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 1:49:42 AM Ignore Ron77095 Report Abuse What?
GryphonX Champion Author Nevada Posts:6,175 Points:1,610,475 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 1:45:33 AM Ignore GryphonX Report Abuse What a boondoggle ...
afghaned Champion Author Hamilton Posts:11,978 Points:1,312,860 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Sep 4, 2012 1:44:24 AM Ignore afghaned Report Abuse Technological advances can make previously imoossible things possible.