my2002m
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 1:10:39 PM
Leave these issues to the courts, time to give it a rest.
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FuelBarge
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 11:33:57 AM
It is hard to know if we are looking at a real problem here another another "balloon boy" wannabe. If it is a problem, they will hopefully find out what is going on.
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BEngr
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 10:37:24 AM
Toyota needs to investigate this further before they discount this problem.
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JediKnight
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 10:33:33 AM
REVLAW,
I can see Toyota jumping on any/all aspects of a situation that will give them the appearance of not being at fault... However NHTSA hasn't found anything yet. So even if Toyota is going all out to discredit the situation... other sources aren't disproving Toyota's "doubt" campaign.
I recall seeing News conferences and some of the 911 call and thinking it seemed he was being sincere.
But as others have stated I was curious why News reports weren't jumping on the "Why no Neutral? Why no Engine Shutdown?" options right off the bat.
Particularly after the Police arrived as an escort... While an Engine Shutdown isn't recommended for control issues... if it's an option and you have "cover"... a shutdown would be a safer option then an uncontrolled 50-90MPH accelerator.
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BlueTucson
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 10:33:22 AM
I agree that Sikes' behavior regarding his failure to put the car into neutral when repeatedly told to do so seems suspicious. The worn-out brakes seem to indicate a problem stopping, but could have been caused by other factors (perhaps they were already worn out).
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sam7777
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 10:28:48 AM
THe details sound like someone is trying to get some Toyota cash by staging this. Who has time to call 911 and get a police car in front of you to slow you down. In all the time the 911 operator was talking to the person, they never told them just to take the car out of gear?
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sivart
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 10:27:32 AM
BlackGumTree has the right idea...emergency fuel shut off!! Solve all safety issues but not the cause.
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WyrelessMike
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 10:21:18 AM
This won't be very surprising to ANYONE who has suffered from any consistent malfunction or annoyance that happens every day in the car, but simply cannot be duplicated for a mechanic the day you take it into the shop.
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OHMS
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 10:17:14 AM
something fishy here; and more players will join the game.
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esquared
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 10:13:44 AM
Copycat accelerator "problems?"
If the moguls who now own most media outlets hadn't so severely downsized their investigative news units (in favor of reality "entertainment"), we'd probably know the truth by now, a la Woodward and Bernstein. Instead we're stuck with "reporters" regurgitating what they get from paid flackery and press releases.
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Wolfwings
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 10:03:27 AM
This will continue to be a NO NEWS item until something can be proved one way or the other.
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REVLAW
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 10:03:15 AM
Hello thedennis64 ... I catch your "tongue in cheek". I have a new vehicle under "bumper to bumper" warranty that has an intermittent vibration or pulsation in the brakes when applied at highway speeds. On two separate occasions, I have left the vehicle with the dealer to correct the issue. On one occasion, they kept the vehicle a total of four days because they said "the frame was not aligned properly and so the wheel alignment could not be made (they thought the wheel alignment could be a part of the problem). They later discovered that their equipment was "out of calibration", and after calibrating the equipment they successfully completed the wheel alignment. THEY COULD NOT "DUPLICATE" THE PULSATION AT APPLICATION OF THE BRAKES, SO NO CORRECTION HAS BEEN MADE. The pulsation is still there. I offered to pay to turn the front rotors to "true" them, but they said they were within manufacturer tolerance. So, we live with the pulsation. NET OUT = "PROBLEM COULD NOT BE DUPLICATED, THUS IT WAS PROBABLY A HOAX."
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CISA
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:52:38 AM
fake
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Kimmunicate
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:51:42 AM
It's already been reported that he faked the incident. With all the debt he racked up over the years, he thought this was an easy out. It doesn't make sense that when the 911 operated asked if he tried to put the car in neutral, he said "no" then when she asked him to try it, he again said "no" What a dumbass. He's ruining it for those who truly have a case as well as trying to dig Toyota into a deeper hole.
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REVLAW
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:49:59 AM
A good defense is to bring into question the credibility of anyone damaging to your cause or profitability. In this case, it is best for Toyota to spend money to discredit Sikes and cause doubt to hide slow and irresponsible vehicle fault identification and correction. Of course, the media is good at playing this game. The First Amendment protects and provides an important freedom, but the media should understand that the "freedom to lie and misrepresent" was never intended nor included.
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thedennis64
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:49:56 AM
Problem could not be duplicated, thus, it was probably a hoax.
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Ready Eddie
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:49:56 AM
Sounds like someone wanted a little too much attention and a law suite. Not trying to say there is no problem but a good portion is operator error or hoax time. Got to claim someone else did or caused it instead of operator stupidity.
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BlackGumTree
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:48:13 AM
Vehicles should all have an emergency manual fuel shutoff where the driver can reach it. Diesels will have an engine brake to stop the engine but lack of fuel will stop any engine with less wear and tear.
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Jorgie
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:47:42 AM
According to a "quick" news report today more people have been killed in the last three years by sudden acceleration from Ford and Chrysler products than Toyota. Also why didn't this guy from San Diego even try to put his car in neutral?
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VTROCK
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:46:54 AM
Ii sounds like this guy may be runnkng a scam to try and cash in on the situation. However Toyotas has opened the door for this kind of thing because of the way they have handled the whole situation, so while I would hate to see some con-man profit from this I do not feel sorry for Toyota in the whole matter.
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Hunter114
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:46:18 AM
Can't they just reconfigure the computer system so this doesn't happen in the future??
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thegovner
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:44:51 AM
for christ sake people, put the F***-ing car in neutral and safely pull the **** over....WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU!
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RoadhogMA
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:43:56 AM
Still in damage control mode. Should be out of it by now .
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madison8359
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:43:37 AM
We know from past experience that Toyota denies there is a problem.
We also know that Toyota has been unable to find the source of the problem, floor mats, shims on gas pedals, etc.
I guess Toyota's damage control is to blame the drivers.
We know dead people can not tell what happened.
This is getting beyond what is acceptable for a company that claims to be tops in safety!
Toyota needs to do the responsible thing and remove the vehicles from the road.
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Italianman
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:41:47 AM
I think we have an ambulance chaser!
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Doubleeez
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:39:57 AM
And now thousands more dollars are going to be spent in trying to figure out what happened even though there is no assurance that the cause will be discovered. Ante up Toyota.
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egd
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:38:54 AM
some things cant be determined one way or the other
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cnet1
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:38:41 AM
the guy with the prius is lying-he's tryong to get toyota to give him something for nothing
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Don20
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:38:25 AM
"So far, we have not been able to find anything to explain the incident that Mr. Sikes reported," NHTSA said. "We would caution people that our work continues and that we may never know exactly what happened with this car."He probably has the dream of receiving a new car as replacement.. If you have a problem take it in and let them fix it...
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unicornpmb
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:38:23 AM
Maybe it was all a bad dream, or I should say nightmare.
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Lizzylou
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:38:14 AM
Poor guy! Even though everyone smelled his brakes burning Toyota still saying that this was not a malfunction!
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DrLyon
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:36:18 AM
Keep testing, intermittent problems are hard to find...
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Tundralimited2009
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:36:15 AM
"YET"....good choice of words
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mreiff
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:34:24 AM
And this is typical for intermittent problems, particularly those of the electrical nature.
Right now I don't know who to trust but there were real incidents prior to the media blitz that brings out the scammers.
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bluenvoy
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:34:03 AM
The only thing Toyota can do is to open their wallet and start paying in all the lawsuits that will be filled against them.
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snorkels
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:34:03 AM
Install supplemental blacks boxes to the main computers and/or engine management systems that(permanently)store ALL signals to/from the engines of the Toyota vehicles in question. Eliminate the forensics guessing game.
[Edited by: snorkels at 3/15/2010 10:36:04 AM EST]
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ACTown
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:33:02 AM
It was a Pruis, they are the best thing since slided bread. They can do no wrong. He must be a faker.
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TopGunn
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:30:17 AM
Is there any petroleum news worth reaing?
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kyrunner
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:29:17 AM
After reading about this claim and viewing the video about it, I have always felt this was at best fishy!
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arnerator
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:28:07 AM
This one is still a little fishy.
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must87searcher
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:28:04 AM
The more the questioning and suspicision, the more the negative people are going to put on Toyota and the investigators.
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gagal31525
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:27:49 AM
How can they fix something they have no explanation for?
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jazzej
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:25:48 AM
But it was also said that none of the reported incidents had been "duplicated" by engineers. So everybody lied?! And those that died just picked Toyota to blame their suicides on?
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Helms
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:25:24 AM
still beats the governments ratio of 98.9% Fraud!!!
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Lenguado
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:24:06 AM
EXPLANATION - Fraud. Period. Just like 65% - 70% of all the other claims.
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Dedonut
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:22:44 AM
Gassed01: Apparently, there's talk on the radio that he's filed bankruptcy before and law suits followed. Who knows? It clouds the issue.
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PetrolPI
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:22:32 AM
Stories like this are why every Toyota within the years in question, should be taken off the road.
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twiper1
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:21:26 AM
But that doesnt mean it didnt happen. Im sure it did
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FBI2991
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:21:10 AM
The lawyers are staged to make bundles of cash off the Toyota problems.
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tomok
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2010 9:20:00 AM
it’s an elusive computer bug, - gotta’ find it and kill it, fast! But, fix that computer bug one moment and the next moment it’s back. Using wireless, electronic computer modules is not like the good physical connection made with a cable or other solid linkage. A cable is NOT affected by a bump in the road!
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