honda0105

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2012 4:49:36 AM
no surprise. Been saying that for a long time. Look who funds the study you read. What's their interest behind paying for a study?
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LetemEatCake

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Oklahoma City
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 11:24:06 PM
UT is heavily subsidize by Big Oil/Gas in most departments. Anything they publish should be looked at with a very critical eye!
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jetskijerry

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North Carolina
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 11:03:50 PM
greed
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jetskijerry

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North Carolina
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 11:03:43 PM
big money in control
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jetskijerry

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North Carolina
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 11:03:26 PM
crooks!
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NHLiveFree

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New Hampshire
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 11:01:38 PM
No surprise at all, as one more industry paid 'scientific' shill is exposed. Big money trail from the corporate hqs in Houston and Dallas direct to several educational shills like Dr. "Chip". When the father of modern techniques for horizontal hyDraulic fracturing recently announced that this process should be closely controlled and well regulated, he was not kidding!
Just watch for more 'spin' on this from shills like the industry's API and the resident gas and oil shills here!
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PDQBlues

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San Diego
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 10:05:06 PM
It's all too true that money from these industries will greatly bias any "research" being conducted and published. The corporation has final say for all released of information, especially publications. Any negative data and findings will never be published.
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SkooterG

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Phoenix
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 9:56:31 PM
Shame!
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wz

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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 7:21:16 PM
"Scientific" studies (like politicians) will end up saying whatever their financier wants them to say. If the data doesn't match the predetermined outcome, they will use a different data sample that does. There are very few independent studies are not financed by someone (a person, company or political entity) who does not have a stake in the outcome.
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teafortwo

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Washington
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 6:04:46 PM
BIG GREED OIL & GAS caught again with their pants down.
Again we see that the only way this industry can get the results they want is to buy deceit.
As frackers rape America, they're turning our soil, water & air into a huge industrial waste heap.
All in the name of their profit and greed.
Water is essential to life.
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MidNJ

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New Jersey
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 5:44:06 PM
Yep, money talks (but many times with forked tongue)
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wshutton

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Los Angeles
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 3:40:03 PM
See, bribes work!
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regasaz

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Phoenix
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 3:23:41 PM
The Facts are the Facts, doesn't matter which side gives them. Our job is to try and interrpret which are facts and which are B.S.. Just like the Global Warming fiasco.
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YumaFellow

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Arizona
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 2:25:19 PM
This happens more than one might think.
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md11capt

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Denver
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 1:22:50 PM
Believe in Chip.
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VomVom

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Calgary
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 1:12:33 PM
So what? The EPA under liberal Administrator Lisa Jackson, had reported that there was no evidence that hydraulic fracturing contaminated groundwater.
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puinsai808

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Honolulu
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 12:59:28 PM
not a surprise.
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highdesertman

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Albuquerque
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 12:32:08 PM
The University is negligent in not vetting Dr. Groat prior to publication of this study; however, he may be guilty of intentional misrepresentation and violations of academic ethics, which is far more serious. If that is proven, he should be fired immediately.
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MontanaMac

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Washington
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 12:17:01 PM
PAI needs to investigate both sides of that argument; interestingly they seem to only report on the oil industry side.....
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evowner

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Salem
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 12:04:19 PM
Professional interest ties are fine, but financial ties ruins all credibility. If a statement of this fact of financial ties was stated as a part of the study, then accept the study as presented. "Groat was paid more than $400,000 in cash and stock by the company in 2011, and holds a near $1.6 million stake in the company’s stock, it said." Doesn't pass the smell test...
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19sheldon43

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Los Angeles
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 11:24:38 AM
"Chip" should be out looking for a new job by now. He has absolutely no creditability
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carpenter4u

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 10:46:33 AM
Studies are easily slanted
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kishoreCA

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Ventura
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 10:30:09 AM
no surprise
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LarksNY

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Albany
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 10:26:38 AM
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!!!!!
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Ticobird

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Huntsville
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 10:25:52 AM
Complexity is the name of today's issues. No matter how much you read you can still be misled by those who have agendas rooted in monetary gain.
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Car54BC08

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British Columbia
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 10:21:20 AM
The results are predetermined by how much you pay the scientist.
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maske_2222

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Manitoba
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 10:15:06 AM
We will see.....
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Silverhand

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Pittsburgh
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 10:13:37 AM
And authors of studies that tell us why government should control our lives have ties to government that tries to control our lives. If paying for a study influences the study, that works both ways.
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Jeffro61

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 10:12:45 AM
Frack on
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MightyDude

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Minnesota
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 10:12:00 AM
big deal
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WeasleyOC

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 10:10:17 AM
Really.
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mossimo36

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St. Louis
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 10:09:41 AM
Not good.
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checkitnow

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 10:08:30 AM
there's too many studies to debunk, fracking is the future
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teatiger

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Dallas
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 10:04:04 AM
why isnt jail time an option for these lies and bad business practices?
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JCS

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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 10:03:25 AM
Do it now!
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FortVancouver01

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Washington
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 10:03:20 AM
One more "objective" report on the subject.?? Right.!!
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BWALL2700

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 10:01:52 AM
Fracking is good, will not harm the environment. Where's my money?
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dld1295

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Detroit
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 10:01:41 AM
I do not understand
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JWHITE1937

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Massachusetts
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 10:00:54 AM
I'm SURPRISED??
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Dale Jr.

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 10:00:25 AM
Ok then
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zimowski

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San Jose
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 9:58:35 AM
It seems that it"s always all about the money....
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blueeye

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Pennsylvania
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 9:58:23 AM
ok
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nugney

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 9:57:19 AM
ok
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Beardog1FL

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Florida
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 9:54:34 AM
Sell your soul to big oil just like the republicans.
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oas

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Maryland
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 9:54:19 AM
I've said it before: we need a truly independent study of fracking.
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ILANGE9

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 9:54:03 AM
We can't seem to trust anyone these days, not scientists, educators, journalists, politicians, the list is never ending. Whatever happened to ethics and morality?
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YaBassa

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 9:50:58 AM
Sounds like a conflict of interest to me.
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uptherefiners

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Chicago
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 9:50:41 AM
pants on fire, chip?
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CAD69

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Milwaukee
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 9:50:36 AM
We have to figure out how to make fracking work!
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neptune2008

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Michigan
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2012 9:50:28 AM
we DO not and CANNOT afford this choice...
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